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Old 07-16-2013, 08:14 PM
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Well... I would say "our efforts..." It was a collaborative exploratory effort. I told him that you might call. Great guy!

He related the story of the fate of the Randall records. And he mentioned that he didn't spend a lot of time on sheaths in his book partly because Mr. Randall himself didn't pay that much attention to them... they were just something that held the knife. But he did want the sheath to look nice. Mr. Gaddis had interesting tidbits about Mr. Moore, the advent of Mr. Johnson etc. AND.. he may have some records himself.

Ron, it might be worthwhile to phone him again because in his research he really didn't concentrate much on the sheaths, though he looked through the data, may have copied a lot of it. You would have the knowledge to ask the right questions. Plus, it was a very enjoyable conversation. Regards...
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Old 07-17-2013, 08:50 AM
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I'll give him a call today, Jack. Thanks.
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Old 07-17-2013, 04:59 PM
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Jack,

I just got off the phone with Bob. I was relieved to hear his health was holding up. He was tickled pink to have had that conversation with you. It re-kindled his interest in Randalls! I assume he told you this, but he's going to go back through the Heiser communications he made a copy of while he was researching his book in the shop. Hopefully, there will be some mention of using a Randall stamp with a corresponding date. We'll see.....

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Old 07-17-2013, 06:03 PM
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Way to go you two super sleuths! Perseverance pays off.

I'm looking forward to Bob's additional revelations.

Cheers!

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Old 03-31-2014, 08:33 AM
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This is a bump and also a notice. I've received a couple of communications about some specific sheaths that have the Randall Made stamp on the front of the sheath. I noticed this some time ago and I'm looking at some data now. This feature seems to particularly affect #14, and #15s from the Vietnam era.



There are some general points that can be commented on now, but nothing concrete has been as vetted yet.

1. Both the brown-button(BB)-Heiser-with-RMK stamp, and Johnson-BB (?) and baby0dot (BD) sheaths were occasionally stamped on the front of the sheath. (Note: Even Heiser-stamped sheaths were occasionally stamped on the front) In general, it appears that the stamp orientation differentiating Heiser-RMK from Johnson is reversed ... the feront-stamped Heiser-RMK faces right (east) and the Johnson-stamped faces left (west).

2. Model-length numbers are generally not applied on front-stamped sheaths (but there are a couple of exceptions of course).

3. Why some sheaths were stamped on the front is not clear. It seems that most belt slotted sheats are stamped on front. Also, at some point Johnson began stamping some of his rivieted sheaths for #14, 15, 16s on the front ... I speculate that was because of some construction and/or leather issues. But it doesn't seem as if during a specific time period ALL of the Johnson #14s riveted sheaths (for example) were being stamped on the front. It looks as if some were being stamped front while others continued to be stamped on the back during the same time period. This deserves a good look.

Here are four example model 14s ranging from early'60s to early-mid 70s with sheaths stamped on the front.

Large Rivet, model 14, early ?60s (below)



Known documented, shipped early 1968 directly to Vietnam? Solingen (below)



Late ?60s (below)



About 1973 (below)



I have some ideas that I'll share when I vet them. I think we may be able to break down the Viet era into smaller pieces using the front-stamped sheath of the most popular carried knives. More later, ciao.

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Old 05-11-2014, 10:45 PM
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Hello

Hi guys, I am new to the forum and having a little trouble uploading images...is it necessary to upload the URL for every photo you post?
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Old 05-12-2014, 08:41 AM
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Hi LRRP6 and welcome to the Knife Network!

To post pictures there is a 24 hour waiting period for new members.

You will find instructions on posting multiple images at the end of the sticky thread entitled Important information at the top of the forum page. See here:

http://www.knifenetwork.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=28327


I've also pasted them here for you below:

Here are a simple set of instructions for posting multiple images as shared URL's and inserting them within your text.

This method is for those of you who use an image sharing website to host your photos.

It is highly recommended, as unlike posting attachments, you can post up to ten images in a single post, and there is no limit to the number of images you can post on the Knife Network.

1. One at a time, select the image you want to share from your host site. It will appear in your post, wherever you place the cursor in your text.

NOTE: Although there is no limit on the size of your images, it is recommended that you ensure that they will fit comfortably on the average computer screen. Also, if it is too big, those without high speed will have difficulty waiting for them to load.

2. Copy the URL of the image on your host site'

3. Click on the Yellow square (insert image) button, just above the window where you type your post. A small window will appear where you can paste the first URL of your image from the hosting site.

4. Click Preview Post to check if the image appears properly.

5. If so, proceed in the same way with the rest of your images. You may include up to ten images within the same post.



I hope this helps and am looking forward to seeing your pics.

Cheers!

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Old 03-31-2015, 07:58 PM
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I am bumping this because of Sam's new data on sheath stamp number fonts. That line of inquiry dovetails directly to the theses developed here by Ron and me. Bumping this up will enable people to easily refer to data and the basic conclusions reached in both lines.

Regards, Jack
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:15 PM
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False Flags

You weave a fantastic story...but some of the younger warriors might not know you are joking...the photo of "you" boarding the 130 is neither you or a Randall knife...its MAJ Dick Meadows, and he's wearing the standard USAF survival knife issued to all the Son Tay Raiders...it was and is a boorish fantasy story...
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Old 03-31-2015, 08:52 PM
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LRRP...

Of course ... and many of the other pictures are "shopped" to fit the story. I thought I was clear that the story is historical fiction. However, the events in the story and their connection during the cold war are not fictional.

In the story, all the Vietnam pictures are real (except Son Tay), of me or of my twin brother, both of us served tours in Vietnam with Special Forces on A-teams and MACV-sog. The pictures of our pathfinder father KIA'd in Normandy are real. as is the picture of my Grandfather who did lose an eye in action in France in WWI. The pictures of my son in Afghanistan are real as are pictures of my twin brother in Pakistan and Afghanistan, etc.

I created the story line originally as a tongue in cheek way of explaining the anomaly of the Randall stamp on the 'magic Randall sheath" compared to the age of the knife. At that time the sheath Randall stamp was thought to be an absolute marker for Johnson manufacture, 1963 or so. That did not align to the age of the knife which had features that were indicative of '59-'60 at latest.

The story morphed into a unified pictorial history of the military cold war... my twin bro was in the thick of it until it was won, and then continued his service to the present day - 50 years in the field, just got back from Africa. A great many of his colleagues and my friends participated in every one of those event.

But the story line also morphed into the "Heiser-Johnson Grand Unification Theory," thus the line finally did actually explain the "Magic Randall" sheath-knife age disconnect.

Regards... oh, I admire your handle!

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Old 03-31-2015, 08:58 PM
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Magic Randall

The picture you claim is you with the Mujahadeen in the time frame of when we were assisting the Mujahadeen in their fight against the Russian invasion is bull####.. actually, ...it's a pic of MSG Bart ******* USSF, taken when the first SF guys arrived in Afghanistan after 9/11....likewise...you talk about seeing a "bunch" of dead Rangers in Grenada....that's not you and there were less than a dozen Rangers KIA in Grenada....also, the photo of you and the Magic Randall boarding the C130 for the SonTay raid is neither of you, nor is that a Randall knife...its a pic of MAJ Dick meadows and he is wearing the standard USAF pilot's survival knife issued to all SonTay Raiders....
You weave a nice fantasy story, especially about being part of the team that took out Che Guevara...if the forum members want to know who was actually part of that team all they have to do is google "Felix Rodriguez AKA Max Gomez"....nice fantasy, but some of our younger forum members might not know its a joke...and a boorish, poor joke at that....let's call it a day...
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:19 PM
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LRRP, you seem to be having a bad day, at least in reading comprehension. That is ok, but please carefully re-read.

I think I made it clear it was historical fiction. Furthermore nowhere is there a claim of "rangers KIA'd in Granada." The only KIA guys mentioned in the story were SF in Afghanistan escorting Karzai into the country... which is true. And please read my note about my friend SFC Boyle, KIA'd in Vietnam, who came into Vietnam from the 8th and personally related certain events about the take down of Che, some of which are not public knowledge, when he replaced me on A-242 Dak Pek.

Dude, read this as education for "younger guys" who don't have a clue who any of those people were, or about any of those events. Most of them have no idea about the CT war in Malaya, the Indonesian-Malaysia/Commonwealth war, Mike Hoare and the "mercs" in the Congo, Mr. Savimbi in Angola and SW Africa, etc. They don't even know squat about croc ears (LOL). I provided some pretty archaic but true historical information and some internet links. You might want to click some of them, such as the link to the MACV-sog RT Delaware site.

Have a nice day...

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Old 03-31-2015, 09:34 PM
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Jack, I don't need to "click" on any of those sites to learn about MACV SOG, the CT war in Malaya, or Che Guevara...or Old Ollie and the Contras....my point is that a lot of these guys like Felix R and MSG Bart are still around... and they might not take kindly to the satire...and yes, I know about the siege at Dak Pek...those guys were knee-deep in expended brass..and that is no s***,..there are war stories and then there are "war stories"...BTW, your Father was a real hero, and so are you, at least in my book...
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Old 03-31-2015, 09:43 PM
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Well, I hope they read it, recognize it for what it is, and laugh. I also hope they are impressed that they "did all that stuff" and that their history received belated recognition long afterwards, even if in a story.

Dang... I went to a lot of trouble inventing my Chinese girl friend, Lai Choi San, and invited people to goggle her. Seems like no one did.. or they would have found out that Lai Choi San is the name of the "Dragon Lady" from the old "Terry and the Pirates" funnies, movies, comic books, cartoon strips. She was something else...see this:

http://www.comicvine.com/dragon-lady/4005-6735/

Oh well.... by the way, the big attack on Dak Pek was in 1969... I was out of there. But I did stand a pretty good siege at Ben Het in 1968 when assigned to A-244 for three months. We laid the first anti-tank mine fields in country ... and a couple of months after I DEROSed and ETS'd, they fought a tank battle there.

Regards for your knowledge and service...

Jack

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Old 04-01-2015, 07:59 AM
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Thanks Jack for bringing this thread back to the top.
After seeing the last couple of posts, this thread is being watered down with side bars. It can get to the point where threads become unreadable for perhaps a person that wants to learn about these Randall's.

I found on another forum that it is best to make a point and stay on point, as there will always be those who disagree, which is part of it, and welcomed, but then there are the ones who want to question motive or point out inexperience. These things become distractions.

My point is that for these new threads to be of any worth at all, we must stay on point. Give energy only to the discussion at hand, and not go down a rabbit hole of distraction. Its hard not to set someone straight, but by not responding or giving it energy, it marginalizes anyone who's motive may not be about discovering more about Randall history.

I am really enjoying this thread, as it has a wealth of good, logical research in it, but I feel it is being compromised by these personal accusations. As hard as it is to do, may I suggest that we stay with the research at hand, and leave those who may want to distract to the moderators.

This thread is about the sheaths, and I can't help but question the motives of people who don't want to contribute to a subject with either agreeing with or opposing an observation. They instead want to go after the researcher personally. And why is it, as I found on the other forum in my case, do these people use code names and not their own?

As to your Military service, all I care about is that you served your Country, and I appreciate that. Along with anyone else on this forum who did that. I was a bilge rat on an aircraft carrier in the Navy in 1973. Nothing special or exotic. Just a small piece of this great Country.

With that being said, I would like to get back to your great observations about these sheaths, so we can learn about this mysterious period of Randall history.

Thanks
Sam G

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